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ur

Anyone have any info on cox cable and ch5? Are we losing the CBS affiliate that has the big 2:30 CBS SEC game on Saturdays? Will there be a CBS replacement?

ur

http://5newsonline.com/keep-kfsm-on-cox-cable/

April 30 deadline. Better get this done before college football starts.

 

Hornkiller

Quote from: ur on April 24, 2013, 01:06:43 pm
http://5newsonline.com/keep-kfsm-on-cox-cable/

April 30 deadline. Better get this done before college football starts.

It probably will... besides there should be a CBS feed eitherway so no SEC football should be missed.

Jack The BN

I say good riddance to bad rubbish. The guy who runs the place wants more money. Cox should give him less, they are the most bush league TV station in America.
I am fully cooperating with this investigation and looking forward to clearing my name

Razor6

I was there when we melted the internet!  Were you?

Jack The BN

the hashtag should be #dropkfsm
I am fully cooperating with this investigation and looking forward to clearing my name

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: Jack The BN on April 24, 2013, 02:14:27 pm
I say good riddance to bad rubbish. The guy who runs the place wants more money. Cox should give him less, they are the most bush league TV station in America.

I was wondering how long it would be before you posted here. No problem. Carry on.

I do think he has a right to try to make as much money as he can though.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

"Why some people are so drawn to the irrational is something that has always puzzled me" - James Randi

Jack The BN

April 24, 2013, 04:54:24 pm #7 Last Edit: April 24, 2013, 05:13:51 pm by Jack The BN
Quote from: Inhogswetrust on April 24, 2013, 03:40:27 pm
I was wondering how long it would be before you posted here. No problem. Carry on.

I do think he has a right to try to make as much money as he can though.

He does so by firing people who have worked there for 15-30+ years. Making life miserable for them, forcing them to quit. Reducing commissions for sales personnel to almost nothing, requiring them to pay for their own materials and gas. Giving the job of a respected and highly rated anchor woman who had worked there for 15 years to someone younger and less experienced, simply because she was young and pretty. Firing the #1 rated sports anchor in the area, and attempting to go without a sports department to save money.... there are a thousand other things.  Yeah all of this stuff is legal, but despicable. In my view, KFSM represents none of the ideals it tries to sell to the Fort Smith community. And FS should stop rewarding them with ratings. Many of the Fort Smith native people who made KFSM what it is have been driven off or fired by this guy, just so he could save a buck and hire some 20 year old out of college and pay them minimum wage. I don't think they deserve pennies from my cable bill. They don't deserve one cent.

Cox does them a favor by carrying them. That's valuable real estate that TV 5 then turns around and sells to their advertisers.
I am fully cooperating with this investigation and looking forward to clearing my name

Mork


grayhawg

Channel 40 and 5 both try this every time contract renewal comes up and both are always still there on COX.

   They like to threaten but it would cost them way too much of the market share not to be on COX.

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: Jack The BN on April 24, 2013, 04:54:24 pm
He does so by firing people who have worked there for 15-30+ years. Making life miserable for them, forcing them to quit. Reducing commissions for sales personnel to almost nothing, requiring them to pay for their own materials and gas. Giving the job of a respected and highly rated anchor woman who had worked there for 15 years to someone younger and less experienced, simply because she was young and pretty. Firing the #1 rated sports anchor in the area, and attempting to go without a sports department to save money.... there are a thousand other things.  Yeah all of this stuff is legal, but despicable. In my view, KFSM represents none of the ideals it tries to sell to the Fort Smith community. And FS should stop rewarding them with ratings. Many of the Fort Smith native people who made KFSM what it is have been driven off or fired by this guy, just so he could save a buck and hire some 20 year old out of college and pay them minimum wage. I don't think they deserve pennies from my cable bill. They don't deserve one cent.

Cox does them a favor by carrying them. That's valuable real estate that TV 5 then turns around and sells to their advertisers.

I can agree with a lot of your points. Especially about firing long-term professional and respected employes like Mike and such. I was just referring to the fact that businesses exist to make a profit. We don't have to always agree with HOW they go about making a profit. I do suppose IF the community of FS was so upset over all the things you mentioned then they would have horrible ratings because nobody would watch them. I suspect KFSM is not locally owned and the owners don't give a damn about what we  think as long as their bottom line is where they want it.   
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

"Why some people are so drawn to the irrational is something that has always puzzled me" - James Randi

rzrback71701

All locals from FT Smith to Joplin can be picked up for free with a $30 antenna. Well, depending on your location. Most in HD. I'm sure you guys know that already.

Check out which type of antenna is best for your location:

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Hornkiller

Quote from: Jack The BN on April 24, 2013, 02:14:27 pm
I say good riddance to bad rubbish. The guy who runs the place wants more money. Cox should give him less, they are the most bush league TV station in America.


Local Media LLC recently sold a bunch of TV stations to Sinclair Media Group, including KFSM. It's standard industry practice that when new ownership takes over a TV station that the retrans agreement with the old owners isn't binding. So Sinclair has or will be renegotiation with Dish, Direct and AT&T as well.

I saw the link and some of it is a joke. KFSM is the reason you have Cox? Seriously? Because people in the 80's decided that they should pay for something that is free and those networks you couldn't get over the air like ESPN, Fox News and History Channel were all gravy? Yeah think it's the other way around kids...

Also this threat of not getting to see prime time.  Usually all providers have a back-up plan in place to provide the programming you want. So SEC Football is safe. You just may be seeing another market feed instead of the local feed. 

Quote from: grayhawg on April 24, 2013, 05:09:30 pm
Channel 40 and 5 both try this every time contract renewal comes up and both are always still there on COX.

   They like to threaten but it would cost them way too much of the market share not to be on COX.

This is a gutsy move by KFSM. No one usually wins in these arguments but going into sweeps there are two parties rooting for this to be a long arduous negotiation. Yep, KNWA and KHOG/KHBS.  Having you signal pulled by the #1 provider is fiscal suicide anyway but especially during May Sweeps when ratings help determine what you charge advertisers to run on your station.  No wonder they want everyone calling Cox. They don't then everyone will be going to Nelie Jones to get their news.

 

Jack The BN

Quote from: Inhogswetrust on April 24, 2013, 05:35:14 pm
I can agree with a lot of your points. Especially about firing long-term professional and respected employes like Mike and such. I was just referring to the fact that businesses exist to make a profit. We don't have to always agree with HOW they go about making a profit. I do suppose IF the community of FS was so upset over all the things you mentioned then they would have horrible ratings because nobody would watch them. I suspect KFSM is not locally owned and the owners don't give a damn about what we  think as long as their bottom line is where they want it.   

I was actually thinking about John Engleman, but yeah, Mike had been there since what, the 70's? It's hard for me to remember that far back. But yeah, legal, standard, all that stuff.. But horrible none the less.

They drive away good people, and go through reporters like toilet paper, I guess that part is understandable, but when you force people like Bridget Schulz out, you lose a lot of credibility with older people like me.

My opinion is that their news is cheap. They hire people right out of college, (most of those reporters have to get side jobs at the gap to afford rent by the way) make them have a degree and don't pay them squat. The result is that anyone from a camera man, to a weekend anchor is new to the business, and that the quality is very low. Therefore not  worth even pennies in my opinion.

#dropKFSM
I am fully cooperating with this investigation and looking forward to clearing my name

Dr. Starcs

Cox is terrible. But does no kfsm also mean no Vern Lundquist and Gary Danielson?  That sounds promising. Lol

HuntnHog

Cox sux.  Dropped them several years ago.  Piss poor customer service.  Couldn't care less what channels they have available.

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: Jack The BN on April 24, 2013, 08:00:46 pm
I was actually thinking about John Engleman, but yeah, Mike had been there since what, the 70's? It's hard for me to remember that far back. But yeah, legal, standard, all that stuff.. But horrible none the less.

They drive away good people, and go through reporters like toilet paper, I guess that part is understandable, but when you force people like Bridget Schulz out, you lose a lot of credibility with older people like me.

My opinion is that their news is cheap. They hire people right out of college, (most of those reporters have to get side jobs at the gap to afford rent by the way) make them have a degree and don't pay them squat. The result is that anyone from a camera man, to a weekend anchor is new to the business, and that the quality is very low. Therefore not  worth even pennies in my opinion.

#dropKFSM

John is good. I agree KFSM has gone WAY downhill. Unfortunately that doesn't change the fact they have a right to try to make more money by doing it that way if they so desire. The best outsiders can hope for is it may come back to bite them in the backside.

P.S. I here there is a guy in Bismark ND that is looking for an anchor job! Maybe they will hire him............................
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

"Why some people are so drawn to the irrational is something that has always puzzled me" - James Randi

Jack The BN

Someone told me the other day that John is working for a marketing firm, and making a lot more money. It appears that his news days are behind him. A shame, I wish him well.
I am fully cooperating with this investigation and looking forward to clearing my name

rowdy1

John the BN let's not forget about how Bur Edson and Guy Westmoreland were handled.  They were thrown to the curb too after many sucessful years
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The_Iceman

Seriously, would anyone miss 5 news? They could pick up the little rock or Tulsa CBS affiliate for all I care.

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: rowdy1 on April 25, 2013, 02:25:48 pm
John the BN let's not forget about how Bur Edson and Guy Westmoreland were handled.  They were thrown to the curb too after many sucessful years

Bur and Guy were also both good in my opinion. 
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

"Why some people are so drawn to the irrational is something that has always puzzled me" - James Randi

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: The_Iceman on April 25, 2013, 06:26:55 pm
Seriously, would anyone miss 5 news? They could pick up the little rock or Tulsa CBS affiliate for all I care.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

"Why some people are so drawn to the irrational is something that has always puzzled me" - James Randi

arkansaspanic

Really what should be done up here is to pick up LR stations. They are all run well and appear as large market stations. Generally in NWA, the tv stations appear as "rag tag news teams".

arkansaspanic

Quote from: ScottFaldon on April 26, 2013, 10:49:16 pm
Those outlets won't cover local news and - perhaps more importantly this time of year - weather.

Little rock stations cover weather in nwa even though no one up here watches them. It's frustrating when u live in central ark

 

lechon

Bur was a MAJOR Richard..............
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grayhawg

Cox e-mail this AM says that KFSM is asking for a 300% increase in what they now pay, if true that is outrageous.

SouthSide Johnny

Let's not forget about Daren Bobb one of the worst on air people I have ever heard the guy constantly stumbles over his words, embarrassing!!!!
Some Say it's Raining Elephants but They Go Outside Anyway..

Dr. Starcs

Drop em. Garrett Lewis interrupts prime time programming when the sun stops shining.

ArkieBrat

I don't care about KFSM Channel 5 news as long as there is a CBS affiliate for programming.  It is safe to say that 98% of my viewing is the CBS programming i.e. NCIS, The Good Wife, etc.  My only concern is whether a CBS affiliate would be substituted. ?
My all time Razorback favs.....

1. 1969 Shootout (Longhorns 'n Hogs football)
2.  Great Alaska Shootout under Eddie Sutton
3.  Orange Bowl CLASSIC under the Great Lou
4.  Rollin w/Nolan AND the '94 NC
5.  Being able to see Nolan and Company at the Aloha Classic in Honolulu (Dec '94) & all of us breaking bread together at a luau, & watching Nolan do the hula after being called onstage. AWESOME!  It doesn't get any better than that.

urkillnmesmalls

If I'm Cox...I'd have an alternate feed on at 12:00.01 May 1st.  I have U-verse, and I wouldn't care one iota if KFSM was pulled tomorrow as long as there was an alternate feed.  I bet a lot of people feel that way after how they've treated people over the past few years. 

Whoever is in charge there has a simple case of being too big for their britches if they truly are asking for a 300% increase.  That's a Bush league move to ask some ridiculous amount in an effort to at least get some increase negotiated. 

If I'm the guy in charge of that with Cox, and they came at me with something that ridiculous, it would do nothing but make me laugh.  Sort of like what I would do if I watched one of their newscasts. 
I've never wanted a Hog coach to be successful more than I do for Pittman.  He's one of the good guys.

Hornkiller

Quote from: ArkieBrat on April 27, 2013, 12:32:11 pm
I don't care about KFSM Channel 5 news as long as there is a CBS affiliate for programming.  It is safe to say that 98% of my viewing is the CBS programming i.e. NCIS, The Good Wife, etc.  My only concern is whether a CBS affiliate would be substituted. ?

Last time there was a dispute with the ABC affiliate Cox provided a feed from another market, besides the Tulsa one. So I bet there is a plan to make sure customers get all the national CBS programming.  So basically all you miss in the syndicated programs and the news.

300% increase? Has their programming gotten 300% better?  Again, the question has to be asked if it's so valuable that KFSM believes Cox and their customers should pay it why do they still have over the air for free. Maybe this is just me, but that sounds a a lot like socialism. Personally all providers shouldn't have to pay squat if a signal is out over the air for free with anyone with an antenna. Why should I have to pay for something my neighbor gets for free?

urkillnmesmalls

Quote from: Hornkiller on April 27, 2013, 05:27:48 pm
Last time there was a dispute with the ABC affiliate Cox provided a feed from another market, besides the Tulsa one. So I bet there is a plan to make sure customers get all the national CBS programming.  So basically all you miss in the syndicated programs and the news.

300% increase? Has their programming gotten 300% better?  Again, the question has to be asked if it's so valuable that KFSM believes Cox and their customers should pay it why do they still have over the air for free. Maybe this is just me, but that sounds a a lot like socialism. Personally all providers shouldn't have to pay squat if a signal is out over the air for free with anyone with an antenna. Why should I have to pay for something my neighbor gets for free?

That's what makes it comical.  300%    That would be like owning 120 acres of land and asking triple the price you paid the previous year.  That's fine...if you have a reason, like it has gold on it, but I have no idea where a 300% increase would come from if what was reported in the thread earlier is true, and that is indeed what they were asking for. 

I would get it if they had a legitimate claim that Cox was gaining "x number" of customers in that marketplace because of offering that channel, and that created some leverage. 

I'm serious...I would have it off the air at 12:01, and have a replacement affiliate.  Then when they called back with a 200% increase, I'd offer them a 3 day "take it or leave it" 90% of the PREVIOUS amount just to get the point across that I wasn't going to deal with a ludicrous negotiation that starts out like that. 
I've never wanted a Hog coach to be successful more than I do for Pittman.  He's one of the good guys.

The Great Hambino

Cable needs to move to an al la carte. There a maybe 20 channels that I watch over the course of the year. I have no need to pay for any of the rest of the channels. I don't need the Hallmark Channel, BET, Style, Bravo, Oxygen, E!, Gameshow Network, QVC, HSN, Lifetime, WGN, or Fox News, to name a few. I shouldn't have to pay for them just to get the sports package.

joeyself

Quote from: The Great Hambino on April 27, 2013, 06:28:58 pm
Cable needs to move to an al la carte. There a maybe 20 channels that I watch over the course of the year. I have no need to pay for any of the rest of the channels. I don't need the Hallmark Channel, BET, Style, Bravo, Oxygen, E!, Gameshow Network, QVC, HSN, Lifetime, WGN, or Fox News, to name a few. I shouldn't have to pay for them just to get the sports package.

When I had an office in South Fort Smith, I decided to have Dish instead of cable.  I'm not sure how I learned about it, but Dish had a 10 for 10 (channels for dollars) program, and I went with that option.  Don't know if it's still available--I have DirecTV now, and at the house, the wife, child and I would not agree on which 10 to take.

The local channels were not digital at the time, and I got them with rabbit ears.  So I guess I had 14 channels.  Left it on CNBC most of the time...

JcS
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Dr. Starcs

I don't have any sympathy for Cox either as they seem to gouge their customers continually.

Hornkiller

Quote from: ScottFaldon on April 27, 2013, 08:46:26 pm
That won't happen because of ESPN.

Every cable or satellite package that includes ESPN means about $6 to the network. No way do they allow ala carte subscriptions, because if they do half the subscribers might decide to drop ESPN. And if half of the subscribers drop ESPN, then the other half have to take up the slack.

The average cable network like A&E, home of Duck Dynasty, gets less than 75 cents per month per subscriber.

Actually it has more to do with the parent company of these networks.

ESPN is the prime example. Disney leverages ESPN, ESPN2 and Disney to get the providers to carry all their networks such as ESPNU, ESPNNews, Disney XD, Soap Net, ABC Family, Longhorn Network and more.  More households have each network means more money via retrans and potential advertising dollars.

NBC Universal does the same thing leveraging USA and CNBC to carry Sci-Fi, MSNBC, NBC Sports (formally VS.) Bravo and more. Fox does the same with Fox News and Fox Sports to get FX, FX Movie, and Fox Business on. In fact everyone but the stand alone league owned sports networks (NFL Network, NBA TV, MLB, and NHL) does this.

Now if you were in charge of these companies, would you let any provider or customer tell you they didn't want all your channels?

jjdlc

Quote from: Dr. Starcs on April 27, 2013, 09:18:10 pm
I don't have any sympathy for Cox either as they seem to gouge their customers continually.

From my experience, the sattelite companies are worse about jacking their prices every year than Cox.

urkillnmesmalls

Quote from: jjdlc on April 28, 2013, 10:04:07 am
From my experience, the sattelite companies are worse about jacking their prices every year than Cox.

What they're notorious for is eliminating channels from your plan.  I have the U-verse 450 plan, and starting out 4 years ago I got all of the Fox sports feeds, and various other channels in HD.  Now...four years later, I still have the plan, but they eliminated all but two of the Fox sports feeds for our "region" and half the time they're too idiotic to even show the program that should be on that channel for our area.  They also eliminated some of the channels we used to have in HD, and now only offer them in SD...even though those channels do have HD offerings.  When you call to ask where they went, they simply tell you that it's no longer offered on any of their plans.  Want a break in the price because of that?  Naw.   

It's all about the "puppy dog" sale for them.  There's a reason they give you 3 to 6 months of whatever the Cadillac channel lineup is.  They want you to get hooked on some programs on channels that REQUIRE that you buy that programming list. 

At times I feel like a Hamster.  I know there's no reason to be on that stupid wheel, but I just can't seem to get off of it.   ;D 
I've never wanted a Hog coach to be successful more than I do for Pittman.  He's one of the good guys.

The Great Hambino

Quote from: Hornkiller on April 28, 2013, 09:50:08 am
Actually it has more to do with the parent company of these networks.

ESPN is the prime example. Disney leverages ESPN, ESPN2 and Disney to get the providers to carry all their networks such as ESPNU, ESPNNews, Disney XD, Soap Net, ABC Family, Longhorn Network and more.  More households have each network means more money via retrans and potential advertising dollars.

NBC Universal does the same thing leveraging USA and CNBC to carry Sci-Fi, MSNBC, NBC Sports (formally VS.) Bravo and more. Fox does the same with Fox News and Fox Sports to get FX, FX Movie, and Fox Business on. In fact everyone but the stand alone league owned sports networks (NFL Network, NBA TV, MLB, and NHL) does this.

Now if you were in charge of these companies, would you let any provider or customer tell you they didn't want all your channels?


Yes, if it otherwise meant they were going to lose me as a customer. I could almost cut out cable right now, and just watch feeds of what I want online. I have a really good deal through comcast, so I don't mind paying for it, since I'm only paying a few dollars more for tv over my internet connection as it is.

Swine-as-wine

Channel 5 has been bush league for much longer than the present owner's term.
And as far as anyone that's ever worked there.......their working there in the first
place is a reflection of their standing in the TV news world, and that's a fact. The
people that have worked there the last 50 years or so that I've suffered watching
that channel, has been spent seeing those that were just starting out with not much
potential, or their "veterans" that couldn't even get interviews with reputable stations.
The guy that got fired after 15-30 years +, sure didn't hop on over to another station
did he? The biggest mistake I ever made, was changing from the LR stations for my
locals, to the NWA stations, thinking I might get a bit more accurate weather forecast,
only to get 10 degree colder temps forecast because NWA stations give more Missouri
and Oklahoma weather, than down here in the River Valley. No more "Arklahoma" stations
for me thank you. You'd think that as much growth that has gone on up in NWA, that
there would be at least one decent local channel up there...but there's not. 


Quote from: Jack The BN on April 24, 2013, 04:54:24 pm
He does so by firing people who have worked there for 15-30+ years. Making life miserable for them, forcing them to quit. Reducing commissions for sales personnel to almost nothing, requiring them to pay for their own materials and gas. Giving the job of a respected and highly rated anchor woman who had worked there for 15 years to someone younger and less experienced, simply because she was young and pretty. Firing the #1 rated sports anchor in the area, and attempting to go without a sports department to save money.... there are a thousand other things.  Yeah all of this stuff is legal, but despicable. In my view, KFSM represents none of the ideals it tries to sell to the Fort Smith community. And FS should stop rewarding them with ratings. Many of the Fort Smith native people who made KFSM what it is have been driven off or fired by this guy, just so he could save a buck and hire some 20 year old out of college and pay them minimum wage. I don't think they deserve pennies from my cable bill. They don't deserve one cent.

Cox does them a favor by carrying them. That's valuable real estate that TV 5 then turns around and sells to their advertisers.

grayhawg

Quote from: Swine-as-wine on April 29, 2013, 01:46:30 am
Channel 5 has been bush league for much longer than the present owner's term.
And as far as anyone that's ever worked there.......their working there in the first
place is a reflection of their standing in the TV news world, and that's a fact. The
people that have worked there the last 50 years or so that I've suffered watching
that channel, has been spent seeing those that were just starting out with not much
potential, or their "veterans" that couldn't even get interviews with reputable stations.
The guy that got fired after 15-30 years +, sure didn't hop on over to another station
did he?
The biggest mistake I ever made, was changing from the LR stations for my
locals, to the NWA stations, thinking I might get a bit more accurate weather forecast,
only to get 10 degree colder temps forecast because NWA stations give more Missouri
and Oklahoma weather, than down here in the River Valley. No more "Arklahoma" stations
for me thank you. You'd think that as much growth that has gone on up in NWA, that
there would be at least one decent local channel up there...but there's not. 


Mike Irwin did.

Mike Irwin

Quote from: Swine-as-wine on April 29, 2013, 01:46:30 am
Channel 5 has been bush league for much longer than the present owner's term.
And as far as anyone that's ever worked there.......their working there in the first
place is a reflection of their standing in the TV news world, and that's a fact. The
people that have worked there the last 50 years or so that I've suffered watching
that channel, has been spent seeing those that were just starting out with not much
potential, or their "veterans" that couldn't even get interviews with reputable stations.
I have no comment on KFSM's situation with Cox Cable.

I do have a comment on the rest of the above post. I have had opportunites to move to larger television stations over the years. I didn't want to. Not everybody wants to raise a family in Detroit or Miami.

I've worked with some extremely talented people over the years in the Ft. Smith-Fayetteville TV market. Some of them went on to work in places like Seattle and Los Angeles.

Some stayed. Because of salary limitations many of the people who stayed eventually took other jobs in the area. But they weren't working in local TV just because they sucked and could not get another job.

I know each of the three chief meteorologists at the three local stations in the River Valley & NWA. All three of those guys are super nice people and they are very good at what they do. Weathermen are like umpires. If they don't get everything totally right all of the time some viewers think they suck. I've watched those guys in action. They work their butts off and they are very dedicated.

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: Mike Irwin on April 29, 2013, 06:20:29 am
I have no comment on KFSM's situation with Cox Cable.

I do have a comment on the rest of the above post. I have had opportunites to move to larger television stations over the years. I didn't want to. Not everybody wants to raise a family in Detroit or Miami.

I've worked with some extremely talented people over the years in the Ft. Smith-Fayetteville TV market. Some of them went on to work in places like Seattle and Los Angeles.

Some stayed. Because of salary limitations many of the people who stayed eventually took other jobs in the area. But they weren't working in local TV just because they sucked and could not get another job.

I know each of the three chief meteorologists at the three local stations in the River Valley & NWA. All three of those guys are super nice people and they are very good at what they do. Weathermen are like umpires. If they don't get everything totally right all of the time some viewers think they suck. I've watched those guys in action. They work their butts off and they are very dedicated.

True Mike. Austen Onek is doing a great job in Memphis. They have good weather reports on WREG Channel 3.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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hogsanity

Cox cable can't just up and start carrying LR stations in NWA or FS area.  Maybe some of you guys ought to read up on retrans/mustcarry before you expound anymore.  FCC has a pretty stringent policy on which over the ar stations a cable co can carry.

As for the current standoff, it will get resolved.  Cox needs KFSM, and KFSM needs Cox.  You can count on 2 hands the total # of stations that have been permanently dropped by a cable provider over retran consent.     
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Jack The BN

300%????? Wow! that's simply insane. Someone earlier in the thread asked if there had been a 300% increase in the quality of the product. I would say there has been a 300% DECREASE in the quality of it.

#dropkfsm
I am fully cooperating with this investigation and looking forward to clearing my name

hogsanity

If people knew what cable providers had to pay per subscriber for the content they carry, people would not whine so much about cable rates.  That is also why the program providers write clauses into their deals that the cable co's can't reveal the rates they have to pay. 

If KFS was only getting a nickle per subscriber from Cox, then a 300% increase is not that much, if howeverm, they were already getting .50 or .75 a subs, then a 300% increase is substantial.
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ucahogfan

Here is what KFSM posted on their Facebook page:


Cox Customers: We are still in negotiations with Cox Cable.

Tomorrow night is the contract deadline and if an agreement isn't reached by midnight our broadcast won't be available to Cox customers.

Cox claims we are being unfair and asking for a 300% increase in fees, which will result in higher cable bills.

The truth is even a 300% percent increase still means Cox only pays us less than one dollar per month per customer.

We don't want you to miss your season finales, breaking news and severe weather coverage.

If you feel that Cox is overcharging for their service or would like to make a change, you can choose a satellite provider like DirecTV or see us free over-the-air with an antenna.

Tell Cox to KEEP KFSM by leaving a comment for them here:
https://www.facebook.com/coxcommunications

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: ucahogfan on April 29, 2013, 04:02:55 pm
Here is what KFSM posted on their Facebook page:


Cox Customers: We are still in negotiations with Cox Cable.

Tomorrow night is the contract deadline and if an agreement isn't reached by midnight our broadcast won't be available to Cox customers.

Cox claims we are being unfair and asking for a 300% increase in fees, which will result in higher cable bills.

The truth is even a 300% percent increase still means Cox only pays us less than one dollar per month per customer.

We don't want you to miss your season finales, breaking news and severe weather coverage.

If you feel that Cox is overcharging for their service or would like to make a change, you can choose a satellite provider like DirecTV or see us free over-the-air with an antenna.

Tell Cox to KEEP KFSM by leaving a comment for them here:
https://www.facebook.com/coxcommunications

I would rather tell Cox NOT to bow down to KFSM. KFSM can go the way of the dinosaurs as far as I'm concerned.
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joeyself

This whole things seems a bit backward to me.  Seems like the stations--ESPN on down to KFSM--would be paying to be on the cable lineup in order to jack up their ad rates.  If nothing else, it's a mutually beneficial relationship; I didn't take cable to get local channels, but am glad they are there so I don't have to switch to an antenna.

Of course, with DirecTV, it's no big deal, anyway.

JcS
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Porked Tongue

30 cents to 90 cents is the actual amounts.  Wish this was Pawn Stars and they'd settle at 55.

I get their argument that CBS raised the rates they charge them.  But if they are tacking anything onto that then that is on them. Anyone hear the amount CBS is chargin Ch 5?

I do not agree with their argument concerning ESPN.  ESPN is a single block while CBS is many affiliates.  It's not apropo.